Chrislam-Rick Warren Controversy
Editor’s Note: I have hesitated about writing about this subject, mostly because I have a definite viewpoint about this incident and I really do not have the right to speak for all of AGAPE MOVEMENT ORGANIZATION.
Last night I was pleasantly surprised at the stand that Paul Crouch took from a show right in the heart of Jerusalem. He wanted to announce that there were millions that were NOT on the side of our President, Barack Obama about going back to the 1967 borders in Israel.
He read several scriptures to back up what he said. And he got a huge and hearty round of applause. I am very proud of him because it is impossible to be middle of the road these days.
In the years that I have watched TBN, I have never heard Dr. Crouch to take such a blatant, stark stand , a political stand.
There are lines being drawn and we cannot taint the word of God, to be politically correct or what the world wants to view as their definition of Christianity.
Search your own heart, what is God telling you? Bottom line, which man of God, (Rick Warren or Jack Van Impe) makes Jesus the center? Gives the glory to God? There is a clear difference between the two men.
The following are a couple of excerpts from a speech by Rick Warren. You see where it is.
Rick Warren / Islamic Conference/2009
“I am not interested in interfaith dialogue, I am interested in interfaith projects. There is a big difference. Talk is very cheap. And you can talk and talk and talk and not get anything done. Love is something you do. It is something that we do together. Love is a verb. Now as the two largest faiths on this planet, Muslims and Christians, we must lead in this. We must lead. With over one billion Muslims, and over 2 billion Christians, together, as half the world, we have to do something, about modeling what it means to live in peace, to live in harmony.”
“The first thing we have to do is what I call on Muslims and Christians together to model; what it means to respect the dignity of every person. The tensions that we see in our world, and we see these tensions all around us, friends, dear friends, they are not going to be solved by mere tolerance. Tolerance is not enough. People do not want to be tolerated, they want to be respected. They want to be treated with dignity. They want to be listened to. They want to be valued.”
Truthfully, I have to say , the whole speech still gives me a heavy heart. That is why I had this saved since 2009.
Now that it has all resurfaced in the news, the uneasiness all comes back.
Decide for yourselves, I have said too much. Except to say , I will be a friend to Israel.
Back To You, Ed!
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Open letter on the Jack Van Impe Website
TBN CENSORSHIP OF JACK VAN IMPE PRESENTS
June 11, 2011
We have received numerous emails and telephone calls from our viewers who were upset when they tuned into TBN on Wednesday night expecting to see our program dealing with churches that have lost their way and four well known leaders that are promoting Chrislam – a uniting of Christianity with Islam. (You
can view that program on our Web page by clicking the “TV Program” button on the
menu.)
On Wednesday afternoon we received a call from Matt Crouch of TBN informing
us that they would not run that program, despite having aired it Monday evening.
The reason he gave was that we specifically mentioned Rick Warren and Robert
Schuller and that it is TBN’s policy that broadcasters are not allowed to rebuke
other ministries. This is a rather hypocritical statement in light of the fact that they have never said anything in the past when we have rebuked others such as Bishop Spong, Bishop Pike, and in the past few months Harold Camping and Rob Bell.
They also stated that they would not run any future program where we offered our DVD Reclaiming & Restoring Biblical Christianity as a premium for a donation to our ministry. A DVD that exposes false teachers and the heresies that they proclaim.
Beloved, I Will Not Be Silenced! I will not allow anyone to tell me what I can and cannot preach. When I see heretical teaching
leading to apostasy, I will speak out. The Bible says “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (II Timothy 3:16 emphasis mine).
The Apostle Paul also gives instructions in Titus 1:9 – 11, 13 “Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able
by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there
are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers…Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake…Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the
faith” (emphasis mine).
I immediately called our Media Agents and told them that I no longer wanted to air my program on Trinity Broadcasting Network; we will take the tremendous amount of money that we were spending there to obtain new stations that will
allow us to continue to reach every square mile of America with the truths of the Bible without this network.
We will be sending a letter out to all of our Partners very soon that will go into more detail as well as sharing how after 23 years of building an audience in the same time spot; they were going to move us to Friday nights where the audience is 25% less – and they stated this was a mandatory move – noexceptions.
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Rick Warren
Van Impe Breaks With TBN Over “Censorship” Of Program Accusing Rick Warren of Promoting “Chrislam”
Submitted by Kyle Mantyla on June 22, 2011 – 2:38pm
Back in April, we posted a video of Jerry Boykin warning of the dangers of so-called “Chrislam,” claiming there could be no hope of creating dialogue between Christians and Muslims and warning Christian not to allows Muslims to use their facilities for worship.
One of the leaders Boykin cited as falling into this “Chrislam” trap was Rick Warren … and it appears that Boykin was not alone as Michigan televangelist Jack Van Impe has now broken with [3] Trinity Broadcasting Network claiming TBN censored him by refusing to air a program accusing Warren and others of undermining Christianity:
Michigan televangelist Jack Van Impe ended his decades-long relationship with Trinity Broadcast Network late last week after becoming embroiled in a controversy with pastors Rick Warren and Robert H. Schuller … Officials for TBN, based in Tustin, Calif., said they had to censor a Van Impe show set to run June 6 because he accused Warren and Schuller of trying to combine Christian and Muslim beliefs into a new movement called “Chrislam.”
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The head of TBN said he was not going to allow Van Impe to use his station to attack other religious leaders.
“It has been my position for TBN’s 38 years of ministry that TBN preach(es) Christ only and that it does not become a bully pulpit for endless debate and/or criticism on/of various doctrinal issues among denominations,” said Paul Crouch, president and founder of churches, ministries or individuals.
“Specifically, it has been TBN’s policy not to allow its broadcast air time to be utilized for personal attacks by one Christian brother against another or to call them out by name,” added Crouch in a statement.
A spokesman for Van Impe said “after much time in prayer” the Van Impes decided to part ways with TBN.
“We would not be able to minister effectively if we had to look over our shoulder wondering if a program was going to be censored because of mentioning a name,” said Ken Vancil, executive director of the Jack Van Impe Ministries. ________________________________________
Jack Van Impe Says Paul Crouch, TBN Want Him Back After Departure Over ‘Christlam’
July 11, 2011 6:50 PM
Since mid-June, Jack and Rexella Van Impe have been focusing almost exclusively on “Chrislam,” which they say is the merging of Christianity and Islam by numerous churches across the states in an effort to promote a demonic one world religion.
A number of Christians believe that “Chrislam” is a sign of the end times.
What they are so upset about is the Faith Shared project sponsored by the Interfaith Alliance and Human Rights First, where clergy representing various faiths gather during services to read from one another’s texts. The project’s goal is to unite the faith community and to “counter the misperception, including in the Arab and Muslim worlds, that the United States is a nation defined by the widely covered images of the marginal few who would burn a Qur’an, rather than by a proud and longstanding tradition of religious freedom, tolerance and pluralism.”
Jack Van Impe had recently “outed” various preachers such as Rick Warren of the Saddleback mega-church for apostasy, saying they were practicing “Chrislam” on the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). When Van Impe learned that the names were censored, he terminated his prophecy show broadcasted on the network. Last week, Van Impe made a public statement to Paul Crouch, founder of the network:
Paul, you’ve been asking me to come back. You’ve plead with me to come back. I’m talking about Paul Crouch of TBN. Rexella and I have made up our minds. It is not God’s will for our life. We’re going to take a stand. We’re going to preach what we want to preach. We’re not going to be told what we can and can’t preach. And one more thing: Just this last week, on your program, you and Matt were talking about Chrislam and you said there’s no substance to it. Brother, you’ll know how much substance there is to it when I get my video out for maybe two hours this coming September … I want to quote to you Jude verse 10, ‘You ought not to speak about things of which you know nothing.
According to Van Impe, Tony Blair and Bill Clinton are also promoting Chrislam and a one world religion. A one world government will occur before the one world religion, the Van Impes say.
Van Impe’s profile continues to appear on the Trinity Broadcasting Network website, which states “No show times are scheduled in the next two months, please check back later.”
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Although I do not watch Van Impe, I applaud His standing on his convictions. Any one who has read the Qur’an, and studied the “Pillars of Islam”,knows that any Muslim’s first allegiance is to Mecca and to the Prophet. Therefore No Muslim can really be loyal to America.
They have no teachings that come anywhere close as was taught by Christ when he said “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”
Even though the Qur’an parallels the Old Testament in a lot of ways, Muhammad only claimed himself as prophet delivering the word of Allah, Whereas Christ clearly tells us, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”
So Van Impe is right to call out any Christian Pastor who forwards this “Chrislam” for such just plays into the hands of the Muslims.
FACTS: I have been studying the Chrislam movement and I’m not taking sides with Rick Warren, Robert Schuller, or with Jack Van Impe. But there is definately a fact that we here in America have a problem with this Chrislam movement. To fully understand Chrislam, one must first understand the basis of the Islamic way of life, Muslim, Quran, Allah, Islam, Mosques, jihad, alQaaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, their interpretation of Jesus, Sharia law, and Mahammad. I have taken the time and studied and in the process of writting a small booklet explaining each of these items and Chrislam and it is not anything we here in America should be considering.
The key is in 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Also see John 2:23, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17, Hebrews 13:8, 2 Timothy 4:2-4, 1 John 2:21-23, 2 John 7:-11, what says it all is 2 Co. 11:14 warning us against even an angel from heaven transforms himself into an angel of light… and Ga 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. So if Gabriel, the arch angel brought the message to Muhammad and the Quran was written between 610 AD and 632 AD. This being the case, the Christians should take heed to the Holy Bible and rebuke any teaching that is against our Lord Jesus Christ. Besides that, their Bible says that everyone who is not a Muslim or converted Muslim are infidels and should be eventually killed. My email is pkane1951@yahoo.com and America needs to wake up! Paul Kane
Thank God for Jack Van Impe and other men of God who are warnig that Jesus will soon appeared. Unfortunalty, americans are living “as in the Days of Noah” and do not want to hear the truth.
well stated John
sad, bitter truth many will continue to do their own thing until it is too late
[...] EXCERPTED FROM Bible Prophecy source http://agapemovement.com/chrislam-rick-warren-controversy [...]
I’ve always loved Trinity and the work they have been doing all over the world, but I also love jack Van Impe and his stand and I hate to say it, but I believe he is doing the right thing. Christians must stand up for what is right regardless. We cannot be responsible for misleading souls. We have bedome entirely too politically corfect in the US and must not in the church. We will PC ourselves right into death and hell…..
Our ladies Bible Study is in the book of Revelation and I can see how this compromise is leading to the one world religion and one world gov’t. God Save America, Pray, Pray, Pray
Amen
RICK WARREN’S CHRISLAMIC GLOBAL PEACE PLAN VS. SCRIPTURE
I have written two books exposing Rick Warren’s teachings and devoted our new website: http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com
to demolishing his prin****lities. I also witnessed first hand two splits in a family member’s Christian and Missionary Alliance Church that was shattered because of RIck Warren’s books and teachings being imported there in Horseheads, NY.
Now Chrislam has two meanings. One is a stricter and narrower meaning, the other broad. For example, Classical Music has two definitions. One is a specific time period in history and kind of music. But it also has a broad definition of all classical music throughout the ages that is not jazz or rock or country and western. Same with Chrislam. The narrow definition is a sect in Nigeria with specific doctrine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrislam
In this sense Rick Warren does NOT promote this sect. However, if you define Chrislam as any merging or unholy alliance between true Christianity and Islam, then Warren is 1000% guilty as charged. Warren completely defies the Doctrine of Separation, and when he did speak at the Islamic Conference, not once did he preach the Gospel, in fact he said is NOT there to convert them (i.e. preach the Gospel).
Rick Warren with his new best friend, Christ rejector Cat Stevens, who changed his name to Yusef Isalm
Quote of the Day: “Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.
The concept of Chrislam (in a macro general definition above), now embraced by such preachers as Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, appears to have emerged from a program on the meaning of “love your neighbor” at Grace Fellowship Church in Atlanta, Georgia “In 2001, like most Americans, we were pretty awakened to the true Islamic presence in the world and in the United States,” says Jon Stallsmith, the outreach minister at Grace Fellowship. “Jesus says we should love our neighbors. We can’t do that without having a relationship with them.”
Rick Warren is a master of the forked tongue and being double-minded. When he states that he does not endorse Chrislam he would be right. But in the broader definition, he is a liar.
Rick Warren does NOT read from both the Koran and the Bible at Saddleback. But he surrenders his pulpit to a Muslim Dr. Oz and gives his Global Peace Plan prize to Tony Blair a Muslim sympathizers and Warren thinks he can forge his Global Peace Plan with Muslims as I exposed in my second book on Warren, and more recently touted Mohammad on Facebook:
WARREN JESUS, MUSLIM JESUS, OR BIBLICAL JESUS – YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLidriD-l1460 min – Mar 25, 2011 – Uploaded by BereanBeacon
This film has been updated to include Rick Warren’s promotion of Mohammad … Mohammad Amin al-Husayni meeting with Adolf Hitler …
Leonard Sweet is one of Rick Warren’s Global Peace plan collaborators who also touts Mohammad. I will be releasing an investigation on Sweet very soon. You could not be more apostate than Sweet.
Sweet calls for a “New Light movement of ‘world-making’ faith” that will “CREATE THE WORLD THAT IS TO, AND MAY YET, BE” (http://www.leonardsweet.com/Quantum/quantum-ebook.pdf, p. 12).
He says the New Light was experienced by Mohammed, Moses, and Krishna.
But the New LIght that Sweet promotes is Darkness!
I invite you to be alerted to the following updates on Perfect Peace Plan website:
1. Islamic Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus video online Methodist Church defiles its sanctuary and defies founder John Wesley on Islam
http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com/post/methodistchurchdefiesjohnwesleyonislam/
JOHN WESLEY ON ISLAM:
“Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind.”
Doctrine of Original Sin, Works (1841), ix. 205.
2. I will be addressing the following topics in a three part Trilogy entitled: “Making Merchandise of Men’s Souls” which I will be producing for Cutting Edge Ministries this August in South Carolina. The three parts will be:
A. Church Denominations Confiscating Local Church Properties and Bank Accounts [Christ Church hijacking in Savannah, GA will be covered]
B. Psychotherapy vs. Scripture
C. Palestinian Authority/Islam/Church and man-made Boundaries of Israel vs. Biblical Authority and God’s Boundaries
(How both Mainline Churches and Islam have REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY as FINAL SOLUTION FOR THE JEWS)
3. CRY OF THE INNOCENT: PRO-LIFE VS. POPULATION CONTROL
I was inspired to produce this five minute video in light of the fact that Obama is an icon of Planned Parenthood and is poised to appoint as many as 5 Supreme Court Judges if he is re-elected. I also made this to help promote defunding Planned Parenthood in Congress. And now with Al Gore coming out with his population control campaign, it is even more relevant and critical.
Available at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbCHKbmT7sI
4. Celebrate Recovery (Rick Warren) Expose article at:
http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com/post/celebrate-recovery-exposed/#more-96
As though it is not enough that Rick Warren has a Muslim physician Dr. Oz speak from his pulpit who wants to hypnotize all of America, it is time for all Christians to sever their unholy alliance with Apostate Rick Warren and publicly renounce him, and come out from among them!
“Warren just awarded Blair his annual International Medal of PEACE. The award is given to individuals who exemplify outstanding contribution toward alleviating the five global giants.”
SOURCE: http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-warren-to-interview-tony-blair-at-saddleback-church-48988/
You have to wonder after Rick Warren gives Tony Blair his Global Peace Plan Prize, who’s next? Gaddafi?
“Tony Blair believes Muslim cleric saved without Jesus”
SOURCE: http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/tony-blair-quotes-koran-says-grand-mufti-gone-home-to-paradis/
Blair is a globalist and has converted to Roman Catholicism…totally apostate…Hybels has no business promoting him, but should be marking him.
“I also mentioned Pastor Rick Warren who sits on the advisory board of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation that seeks to bring the religions of the world together.”
SOURCE: Brannon Howse http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6684
Contrast this with WAYNE GRUDEM’S statement:
“Rick Warren’s is truly advancing the work of the Kingdom of God” Wayne Grudem
SOURCE: http://adrianwarnock.com/2010/05/wayne-grudem-on-the-atonement-unity-rick-warren-and-john-piper/
Recent update reports on Articles page:
World Vision Betrays Israel
NY Supreme Court Judgment against Top Assemblies of God Leaders
Sima Motivational Abilities Pattern vs. Scripture
Recent Videos:
Experiencing God through Deceitful Mysticism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vghLjyVUSA
Rick Warren Most Dangerous Pastor in the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vghLjyVUSA
Rick Warren’s SHAPE DISCOVERY CLASS Carl Jung Occult-based Personality Profiling (aka ASSEMBLIES OF GOD’S “WE BUILD PEOPLE”)
http://www.theperfectpeaceplan dot com/wfalseteacher2.html
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There would be a simple way to clear up any confusion about Rick Warren’s position on Mohammad and Islam, and for that matter for you to do so as well.
That is supply a clear statement that Rick Warren has already made publicly at Saddleback, the Radio or in print, in which Rick Warren states unequivocally that Mohammad was a false teacher, that Islam is a false religion and NOT a religion of peace. This statement should be similar to John Wesley’s published statement about Islam. Warren should further not just say he does not endorse Chrislam, but publicly condemn it. Also supply one example of Rick Warren telling a single Muslim that they must repent and renounce Islam and be born again.
Where are such statements by Rick Warren or you declaring these truths?
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Extensive documentation of C&MA and their recent lawsuit to sue their brothers in Christ in order to confiscate their church property and bank account in Paramus, New Jersey, is available on the article and archives of our website below.
Finally, if you continue to collaborate with Geoff Surratt and promote Rick Warren at your church, I am compelled to warn you with these Scriptures:
2Jo 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
Jo 1:11
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Tts 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
I pray that you will sound the alarm on the alarm on His Holy Hill about Rick Warren!
If Geoff Surratt will not repent, after a second admonition, you must mark him and separate from him as well as from Rick Warren.
If Geoff Surratt repents and church publicly renounces Rick Warren, I will happily report this news when I film August 16-17 the MAKING MERCHANDISE OF MEN’S SOULS documentary for CUTTING EDGE MINISTRIES in Lexington, South Carolina, filmed in Greenville, SC.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director
brothers and sisters in CHRIST Please remain in the WORD of our LORD DO NOT LET THE DEVIL PLAY WITH OUR SALVATION THANK YOU THEO AND YVONNE
Dear Barney and Harry, Dr. Jack Van Impe, Dr. Noah Hutchings, Dr. Larry Spargimino and Edward Newby (Berean Call), and Richard Bennett (Berean Beacon),
Before you (Barney Clynch) send your letter to Rick Warren and PDC/Celebrate Recovery Church refuting all of his teachings, I spent the weekend thinking about Warren’s letter below that you will include in your letter to him. I am compelled and constrained to respond to it. I hope that Alex Murashko will post it in the interest of balanced journalism and to show that there is another side of the story regarding Rick Warren and the path of destruction he has wrought in the church. Testimony of the victims of Purpose Driven Church should not be censored!
Rick Warren statement regarding his position on Chrislam: http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastors-answer-does-rick-warren-endorse-islam-52833/ :
Several of the above comments are completely incorrect, based on believing 2nd hand false rumors instead of finding out the facts before speaking up. “Only a fool believes all he hears” Proverbs 14:15
The so-called “Chrislam” rumor is 100% false. If the guy who started this libelous myth, or anyone else who passed it on, had obeyed our Lord’s command (Matt. 18:18-20) to come directly to me, and then asked what I actually believed – they would have been embarrassed to learn that I believe the exact opposite. As a 4th generation Christian pastor, my life & ministry is built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.
As an evangelist, I spend much of my time speaking to non-Christian groups. You cannot win your enemies to Christ; only your friends, so we must build bridges of friendship and love to those who believe differently so Jesus can walk across that bridge into their hearts. Besides, it is not a sin, but rather COMMANDED by Jesus that we love our enemies. In the past 10 years, Saddleback Church has baptized over 22,000 new adult believers – simply because we express love to those who don’t know Christ yet.
It is nonsense to believe that you must compromise your beliefs, or water down your convictions in order to love someone, or even just treat them with dignity.
Jesus was called “the friend of sinners” by the legalistic Pharisees because he hung out with (and clearly loved) unbelievers. I HOPE YOU will 1) Always believe that EVERYONE needs Jesus as their Lord & Savior. 2) Have the courage to associate with nonbelievers in order to love them and bring them to the Savior. 3) Consider being called “a friend of sinners” a Christ-like compliment. 4) Refuse to pass on rumors until you’ve checked for the truth with the person accused. The false statements above should be removed.
God bless you.
Rick Warren”
JAMES SUNDQUIST RESPONSE:
This is letter by Rick Warren is so distorted and does violence to so many Scriptures, I am compelled and constrained to respond but even check with his staff to verify its authenticity. Nevertheless, here is my reply to the letter attributed to be from Rick Warren:
1. For something to be a rumor, it would normally have to be unsubstantiated. But Rick Warren’s teachings, behavior, and speeches defy that this is a rumor, as his statements are recorded and published….so there is no rumor here.
2. “Only a fool believes all he hears: Proverbs 14:15. RW falsely accuses these brethren, for the are not responding simply to what they hear, but what Rick Warren says. So please name one Christian in discernment ministry who believes everything he hears? So RW has effectively slandered and borne false witness against these brothers which is an abomination to the Lord. …btw, what translation is this anyway? I could find it in any of the 15 leading English Bible translations, or anywhere in a Google search. RW likes to quote Proverbs, I would likewise like to do so in response and in refutation of Rick Warren: “[He that is] first in his own cause [seemeth] just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.” Proverbs 18:17 KJV
3. Rick Warren must be in complete ignorance of Matthew 18, because the responses to his teachings do not require Matthew 18. Matthew 18 is for a private matter. Public teaching is not a private matter. Shocked that Warren would not know this. Therefore, there is no requirement that the bloggers who are exposing Warren are even required to go to him in private. In fact, they would be disobeying Scripture to do so. These bloggers are simply obey Ephesians which commands us to expose and reprove the deeds of darkness.
4. If Rick Warren is a 4th generation Christian pastor, then he is without excuse.
5. We don’t build a bridge between Christ and the lost, Christ is the bridge. Christ doesn’t teach the way which includes bridges along the way, he IS the Way!
6. “You can’t win your enemies to Christ” Say what???!?!?! Every single person who was ever born is and was an enemy of Christ before they were saved.
7. If Warren is so concerned about building a bridge to the enemy, where is he bridge to Fundamentalist Christians whom he calls “enemies of the 21st Century? Where is the bridge to the saints that he has purpose-driven out of the church?
8. Yes Jesus Christ and the Apostles mingled with non-believers, but never left the scene without telling them they are sinners and by nature objects of God’s wrath.
9. So just what bridges is RW talking about?
a. His New Age gospel in the Ladies on Journal? (See: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/learntoloveyourself.html and http://www.wayoflife.org/database/ladieshomejournal.html)
b. His speech to Islamic organization in which he did not declare that those who do not believe Christ is the Son of God will not see life for God’s wrath remains on him (John 3:18 and 36) are antichrists (I John 2:22-23)?
c. His speech at a Jewish temple in Los Angeles, where he fails to mention Isaiah 53, and the Lamb of God the taketh away the sin of the world?
d. The gospel that tells audiences of different religions, “I am not here to convert you”? The gospel that forces compulsory covenants on members and forced tithing condemned by the Apostle Paul in Galatians?
e. The occult-based Carl Jung personality temperament divination profiling (Warren’s SHAPE)?
f. The massacre of the Book of Nehemiah in which Warren’s PDC partner and collaborator Dan Southerland slanders and divides the church by calling Christians “Sanballats and Tobiahs” who were pagans? (Rick Warren is totally confused and can’t even discern who are enemies and who are friends)
g. Richard Foster, who imported Roman Catholic mysticism into the evangelical church?
h. Leonard Sweet another Warren partner who teaches that Moses, Mohammad and Krishna saw the same “new light”?
i. Telling a major gay activist Eric [Sawyer] “what can I do to help you get your message across?”
j. A bridge that says Mormonism is just another Christian denomination which believes in imaginary genealogies, imaginary cities in South America, magic stones, burning of the bosom, imaginary golden plates, imaginary planets (Kolab), imaginary angel Moroni?
k. Voting for New Ager August Turak for Grand Prize for Power of Purpose Award, and quotes another New Ager Bernie Siegel who promotes guided visualization?
(see: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/smith-deceived_on_purpose-5.htm)
l. A bridge that touts Mohammad for the one document in which Islam protected a Christian monastery, but fails to tell you the 270 million people killed in the name of Islam for 1400 years?
m. Inviting a Muslim Dr. Oz to defile the pulpit at Saddleback Church for his Daniel Plan? (btw, Angel Gabriel in the Book of Daniel is the opposite of the Angel Gabriel who was a demon who delivered another gospel in the form of the Koran.)
n. Promoting Universalist Henri Nouwen who rejected Jesus as The Way.
o. Finally, what possible bridge can connect those who were drowning in Noah’s Global Flood (Warren promotes Dr. Hugh Ross who believes in a local flood of Noah)?
10. RW is not a friend to sinners if he does not tell them the truth. Besides what he is doing is not friendship to sinners but friendship with the world which makes him an enemy of Christ (enmity with God).
11. RW holds “legalistic Pharisees” in contempt, but it was the Pharisees whom both Jesus Christ and Paul condemned for putting people back under the law, precisely what Warren has done with his compulsory covenants?
12. When Paul went into the enemy camp whether synagogues or Gentiles, when did he ever preach the same message that Rick Warren is preaching to them? Paul’s message was only and always “Christ crucified.”
13. Didn’t the Apostle Paul love his enemies just like the discernment bloggers against Rick Warren’s teachings and programs? Paul loved them so much he told them all the truth about the wrath of God and would even count himself accursed for the sake of his fellow Jews, but he NEVER withheld the Scriptures commanding all men everywhere to repent. Go to Rick Warren’s speeches at the Pew Forum, the Aspen Festival, the Islamic Conference, or the Temple in LA and show me one sentence where Rick Warren shows true love and tells them all they are sinners and objects of God’s wrath and the Wrath of the Lamb?
13. My response to pastors who defend Rick Warren, who say he is not promoting Chrislam at:
August 4, 2011
To Pastor Geoff Surratt:
You are indicted then by your own testimony. I will publicly mark you and Brandon Cox as a false teachers and collaborator with Rick Warren in the film documentary next month and when I am on national radio on Southwest Radio later this Fall. Oceans of corrupt communication comes out of your mouths,
Furthermore, bearing false witness against a brother is an abomination to the Lord and slanderers will not enter the Kingdom of God.
You have not provided a shred of evidence that I have born false witness against Rick Warren.
I pray that you repent before it is too late!
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
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There would be a simple way to clear up any confusion about Rick Warren’s position on Mohammad and Islam, and for that matter for you to do so as well.
That is supply a clear statement that Rick Warren has already made publicly at Saddleback, the Radio or in print, in which Rick Warren states unequivocally that Mohammad was a false teacher, that Islam is a false religion and NOT a religion of peace. This statement should be similar to John Wesley’s published statement about Islam. Warren should further not just say he does not endorse Chrislam, but publicly condemn it. Also supply one example of Rick Warren telling a single Muslim that they must repent and renounce Islam and be born again.
Where are such statements by Rick Warren or you?
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Geoff Surratt wrote:
“Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is
good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”
(Eph 4:29)
On 8/4/11 4:43 AM, “James Sundquist” wrote:
Dear Geoff,
I wish to followup with a second request regarding your blog quoting
Brandon Cox defending Rick Warren, now that I have given you sufficient
proof that Rick Warren is a false teacher. I have not heard back from
you.
I would like to receive your response and whether your position remains
unchanged before I begin filming my national report and DVD documentary
August 17-18 entitled: MAKING MERCHANDISE OF MEN’S SOULS.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing
http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com
As Rick Warren address the Assemblies of God Convention today in an apostate unholy alliance, I invite you to consider the following.
I have written two books exposing Rick Warren’s teachings and devoted our new website:
http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com
to demolishing his prin****lities. I also witnessed first hand two splits in a family member’s Christian and Missionary Alliance Church that was shattered because of RIck Warren’s books and teachings being imported there in Horseheads, NY.
Now Chrislam has two meanings. One is a stricter and narrower meaning, the other broad. For example, Classical Music has two definitions. One is a specific time period in history and kind of music. But it also has a broad definition of all classical music throughout the ages that is not jazz or rock or country and western. Same with Chrislam. The narrow definition is a sect in Nigeria with specific doctrine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrislam
In this sense Rick Warren does NOT promote this sect. However, if you define Chrislam as any merging or unholy alliance between true Christianity and Islam, then Warren is 1000% guilty as charged. Warren completely defies the Doctrine of Separation, and when he did speak at the Islamic Conference, not once did he preach the Gospel, in fact he said is NOT there to convert them (i.e. preach the Gospel).
Rick Warren with his new best friend, Christ rejector Cat Stevens, who changed his name to Yusef Isalm
Quote of the Day:
“Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.
The concept of Chrislam (in a macro general definition above), now embraced by such preachers as Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, appears to have emerged from a program on the meaning of “love your neighbor” at Grace Fellowship Church in Atlanta, Georgia “In 2001, like most Americans, we were pretty awakened to the true Islamic presence in the world and in the United States,” says Jon Stallsmith, the outreach minister at Grace Fellowship. “Jesus says we should love our neighbors. We can’t do that without having a relationship with them.”
Rick Warren is a master of the forked tongue and being double-minded. When he states that he does not endorse Chrislam he would be right. But in the broader definition, he is a liar.
Rick Warren does NOT read from both the Koran and the Bible at Saddleback. But he surrenders his pulpit to a Muslim Dr. Oz and gives his Global Peace Plan prize to Tony Blair a Muslim sympathizers and Warren thinks he can forge his Global Peace Plan with Muslims as I exposed in my second book on Warren, and more recently touted Mohammad on Facebook:
WARREN
JESUS, MUSLIM JESUS, OR BIBLICAL JESUS – YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLidriD-l14
60 min – Mar 25, 2011 – Uploaded by BereanBeacon
This film has been updated to include Rick Warren’s promotion of Mohammad … Mohammad Amin al-Husayni meeting with Adolf Hitler …
This film has been updated to include Rick Warren’s promotion of Mohammad … Mohammad Amin al-Husayni meeting with Adolf Hitler …
Leonard Sweet is one of Rick Warren’s Global Peace plan collaborators who also touts Mohammad. I will be releasing an investigation on Sweet very soon. You could not be more apostate than Sweet.
Sweet calls for a “New Light movement of ‘world-making’ faith” that will “CREATE THE WORLD THAT IS TO, AND MAY YET, BE” (http://www.leonardsweet.com/Quantum/quantum-ebook.pdf, p. 12).
He says the New Light was experienced by Mohammed, Moses, and Krishna.
But the New Light that Sweet promotes is Darkness!
I invite you to be alerted to the following updates on
Perfect Peace Plan website:
1. Islamic Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus video online Methodist Church defiles its sanctuary and defies founder John Wesley on Islam
http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com/post/methodistchurchdefiesjohnwesleyonislam/
JOHN WESLEY ON ISLAM:
“Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind.”
Doctrine of Original Sin, Works (1841), ix. 205.
Quote of the Day: “Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.
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14. Finally, as though it were not enough to mark Rick Warren as a false teacher for what he says, must be doubly marked for what he doesn’t say or omits by being a derelict watchman on the wall and refusing to publicly call out wolves in sheep’s clothing that rend the flock!
Kindest regards in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
Keep up the good work of exposing Rick Warren for what he really is , a false prophet. This PD teaching has reached our small Island of Newfoundland, we really need your prayers. This Christ we serve will soon return and there are still many souls to be won for Him. Yours in Christ. EQ
There is no new light. Jesus Christ is the light of the world. I have lived and ministered for over 50 years in Indonesia and have seen many Muslims come to know Jesus Christ, the Son of God as the light of their lives. They now call upon God as their Father in heaven. Compromise with the Word of God is an abomination to God. Easing up on the Trinity is blashphemy and a rejection of the diety of Jesus Christ. He who rejects the Son rejects the Father.
Here is his latest as described in Feb 23/27 2012 article:
Here is my response to the Orange County Register article about Warren:
RICK WARREN BUILDS BRIDGE TO MUSLIMS
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/muslims-341669-warren-saddleback.html:
JOHN WESLEY DISAGREES WITH RICK WARREN
Islamic Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus video online Methodist Church defiles its sanctuary and defies founder John Wesley on Islam
http://www.theperfectpeaceplan.com/post/methodistchurchdefiesjohnwesleyonislam/
JOHN WESLEY ON ISLAM:
“Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind.” Doctrine of Original Sin, Works (1841), ix. 205.
WARREN JESUS, MUSLIM JESUS, OR BIBLICAL JESUS – YouTube
► 59:44► 59:44 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLidriD-l14Mar 25, 2011 – 60 min – Uploaded by BereanBeacon
Shariah Law Being Used in U.S. Courts to Decide Cases …
Muslim Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus in Arabic Language: مسلم يسوع …
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/…/muslim-jesus-vs-biblical-jesus-in-arabi...
May 18, 2011 – ISLAMIC JESUS vs. BIBLICAL JESUS IN ARABIC LANGUAGE يسوع مسلم مقابل يسوع الكتاب المقدس عشرين سببا ديني لماذا أنهم ليسوا يسوع …
RICK WARREN’S CHRISLAMIC GLOBAL PEACE PLAN VS. SCRIPTURE book available at:
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
MAKING MERCHANDISE OF MEN’S SOULS film documentary documents Islamic confiscation of the promised land and ultimate boundaries of Greater Israel trailer can be viewed at http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
Also see: ISLAM VS. CHRISTIANITY: THERE IS NO COMMON WORD BETWEEN US:
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/post/2011/03/
On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:58 PM, Paula Coyle wrote:
John Stark of the Gospel Coalition has asked to be removed from receiving this information, but there are others at the Gospel Coalition who will still not remain in darkness because they are receiving this alarm on Rick Warren!
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director Rock Salt Publishing
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
DISCLAIMER: Rock Salt Publishing was founded by author James Sundquist as a voluntary discernment ministry to assist those who have been affected by the abuse of ecclesiastical power or false doctrine. The contents of all of the emails, articles, blogs, books and broadcasts have been researched very thoroughly and carefully. Where applicable, both documentation and supportive Scripture references are provided. It is a very serious matter to bring charges against any organization or individual, and therefore if anyone reading these charges is able to substantiate that they are false, please bring this to our attention.
Response to Chrislam
All religion is man’s attempt to either understand himself, or find G_d. All of them! Christianity is where G_d comes down to us. He then pushes us up out of the hole of our own depravity and gets us out of there. He even gets in the hole for us! Amazing, no religion does that, or ever will. It’s not about religion, it’s about a relationship. That is G_d’s love. If being down and cool with everybody is good enough and just hanging with them is fine, then explain the brutality of the cross? It makes absolutely no sense, unless it was the ultimate sacrifice by a loving G_d to buy us from our sins. So saying G_d wouldn’t do this, or that, is completely ridiculous. Look at what He did do and realize we all have a responsibility to either reject or accept Him as (Christ the Lord, Adonai Elohanou, Yeshua Ha’Maschiac) Lord and Savior.
As for how we deal with people lost in Islam, it is not to pretend we serve the same G_d. We most certainly do not! We can love them, we can share the good news of the gospel, we can pray for them, we can serve them, we can help to heal them, we can comfort them, we can be kind and loving, we can even be persecuted by them for Our Lord’s sake, but we can never pretend to be their brothers or sisters in Yeshua and the Islamic prophet Jeus (Isa) with a similar name. There are many people who have the same name that I do, but we are all different. Please do not be fooled, don’t let others to be fooled and pray for “leaders” who lead people to believe other than the truth of the good news of the gospel.
Speak in patience, kindness, and love with a gentle voice. Many people will not hear you because they are deceived, or have their own agenda, but some can not hear you because you are shouting and your face is angry. Many of you believers have a right to be angry at this, I only ask for your gentleness in the process. Continue to fight the good fight and know that G_d loves you.
Rick Warren needs to think of his wife and who he is praying to for her healing…Jesus or Mohamad.
How would God look at this…is he rejoicing…or is he shedding tears? In my opinion he is shedding many tears to see a respected “man of God” falling into satan’s trap! Satan, of course, is rejoicing!
To Rick Warren,
You are wrong-minded but I don’t belive you are wrong-hearted. I ask you to peel away the layers of hurt and resentment that the controversy has cast on you and open your eyes and heart to the light of truth. It is time to take a stand for the Christ you have served and say that “you have seen His glory, the glory of the One and Only who was sent by God full of Grace and Truth.” Glorify Him! Praise God and my He bless you in His grace.
Just some thoughts on my mind regarding Rick Warren and the Chrislam movement:
1. Rick Warren knows he is wrong over signing the document “a common word between us and you” in 2007 stating that the “God of the Koran and the God of the Bible” are the “same God”, yet he blames the media and Christian bloggers for holding him accountable over the facts that truly surround the events exposed through the article that appeared in the Orange Country Register. To put it plain and simple – Rick Warren has no right whatsoever to play the “blame game” by pointing fingers at other people who have done the right thing by exposing his lies and his heretical teachings/beliefs against the sound word of God. Listen to what God tells us in Numbers 32:23, “”But if you fail to do this, you will be sinning against the LORD; and you may be sure that your sin will find you out.” At this point, Rick Warren is so deep in heresy and lies, that his own sin is being exposed and finding him out in the public eye. It amazes me every time he contradicts himself and fails to practice what he preaches, he has to find some means to cover his “trail of lies” whether he points fingers at others or twists scripture to promote his own man-made platform of lies.
2. Many people have also been misled over what is claimed as “setting the record” straight. After the article appeared in the Orange County Register, the Christian Post website hosted an interview conducted by Mr. Brandon Cox, one of his supporters in the ministry. Mr. Cox asked RW questions over what he “really believes” in “contrast” to the claims made through the newspaper article. Many people after reading the interview on the Christian Post were deceived into thinking that “the record has been set straight” through the “horse’s mouth”. Here are some issues and problems this presents:
a. RW was interviewed by a source that supports his lies and heresies. So, of course, he is naturally going to give answers that “itch the ears” of his hearers. To only give “one side of the story” does an injustice to how he really believes and conducts himself. For example, if a source such as a ministry that has rightfully exposed his lies asked him hard questions as to why he has consistently contradicted himself (e.g., his lie on Larry King live over the Proposition 8 issue, his claim in the Purpose Driven Life book that New Age theology is a lie and not of the Lord, YET Saddleback church where he pastors hosts three doctors from the pulpit in 2011 that openly believe in New Age/Eastern mysticism beliefs, etc. etc.) I firmly believe if Rick Warren was asked difficult questions in a very firm and tactful manner related to his contradictions and lies, he would “break under pressure” and fail to practice what he claims he preaches. The unfortunate result of his interview on the Christian Post website is that people who are not reading God’s word and do not know God’s word will be blinded by the devil into believing the lie that the interview has done “justice” to what Rick Warren believes when in reality all it does is tell one side of the story that does not fairly expose his lies and contradictions from his books or speaking engagements to Muslim audiences.
With all due respect maybe we need to go back to Sunday School and recieve the Word of God in the Faith as children do,,and not fight like childish “Christian Adults” .As far as Christ is concerned there can be no “partnership” as far as the will of God states in John 3:36 “For God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY begotten Son,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,but have everlasting life.”
This is again stressed in Verse 36″He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth NOT the Son shall not see life ;but the wrath of God abideth on him”.King James BibleNow one dose not need a Masters Degree in English Grammar to grasp that the words “ONLY” and “NOT” allow for no little misunderstandings or human grey area confusions.So it follows that no matter how nobel or sin free any other path to the Father claims to be,it is to no avail if it not via the Son Jesus Christ, the Son Of God.Further referance to the Muslim Religion can be found in Chapter L 569-680 A.D in Edward Gibbon’s The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Vol 111.God’s will as far as Ismail is concernerned can be found in Genises Chapters 16 and 17.